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Permalink Reply by Janet Stevens on October 26, 2009 at 1:12pm

yeah let's debate something.. ok what?... oh I know.. Am I the only one who does not really like the Mona Lisa painting? There I said it out loud! I even saw the original.. nope does nothing for me.

Permalink Reply by Susan- redshoeartist on October 26, 2009 at 1:26pm

Actually I've never really thought about the Mona Lisa much. It's a bit like anything that has been over exposed I guess it just comes part of life that we take for granted. The art doesn't take my breath away, and I'm sick of all those art critics trying to find hidden messages Da Vinci supposedly left just so they can have a paying job. Tonnes of great art has come out since then, I'd like to hear about that!
Mosey on along now folks that painting has been ripped to shreds... nothing more to see here

Permalink Reply by Wendy Johnson on October 26, 2009 at 2:33pm

I agree with you two gals, the painting doesnt do much for me either, but I do like the artistic story behind it and how it was nevoux for the times. Got to give the guy credit for that. Thanks for weighing in and starting some debate :)

Permalink Reply by Susan- redshoeartist on October 27, 2009 at 12:06am

Da Vinci was a phenomenal painter... I wish I had a quarter of his talent.

Permalink Reply by Susan- redshoeartist on October 28, 2009 at 11:39am

Can we discuss R Mutt (Duchamp)'s 'Fountain' peice? Is it art if you find it and sign it? We hear a lot about found art now but usually artists do a bit more to the piece than just turn it 90 degrees and sign it under a pseudonym.... any thoughts?
I understand what he was trying to do by pushing the line when the art show stated that 'all' art submitted will be accepted. But then it disappeared and wasn't shown at the exhibition. I honestly wished I'd thought of it first. LOL. bloody brilliant

Permalink Reply by Diana on October 28, 2009 at 3:41pm

I happen to love Duchamp. The Natl Gallery of Art had a show devoted to him last year and it was really great. FUNNY. Interesting. Made you think, made you laugh out loud. I think that if you signed a urinal today and put it in your show, that it would be -- just-- derivative (insert snort).

As for the Mona Lisa, and it would be interesting to see who here has seen it in person (I raise my hand) - and it was a LONG time ago and i had to crane my neck up to see it and it was so much smaller than I thought it would be and Behind PLEXIGLASS for bleeping sake (gary - NOT that there's anything wrong with putting a painting behind plexiglass - (another snort))!!! But I DO love the mona lisa, and DaVinci painted it MANY times - and there were stories last year (I think) about who the Mona Lisa was and evidence (underneath layers of paint) that she was pregnant. I'll dig out those articles if anyone here is interested.

AND AND AND
Co - inky - dink? or.... is Susan just SO brilliant and clever because there is a LINK HERE --
what is it?
Why -- Duchamp's L.H.O.O.Q. -- or (she has a hot ass? which would also link to the Nude Calendar???) -- Mona Lisa with a mustache (which was also in the show i saw- and also much smaller than I thought it would be -- and I could go On and On!

Permalink Reply by Wendy Johnson on October 28, 2009 at 12:18pm

Interesting find Susan.Here is a quick reference for others on The Fountain http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_(Duchamp). Not really something that I would want in my living room...lol Maybe in the bathroom, I guess I dont pass the Found Art test. I do love art works with found objects encorporated into them and bring beauty to something old or ordinary. But I dont see the beauty in this piece. And one doesnt win my vote by shock value alone.

Permalink Reply by Mo Mapes on November 1, 2009 at 7:21am

And I was worried about MY weird , funky foam art not being considered ARTWORK! I take it back.....IT IS..............

Permalink Reply by Wendy Johnson on October 28, 2009 at 12:29pm

I dont mind this version as much, at least it has colour and the aged look gives it interest. Actually makes the urinal look like a fine porcelain object (sort of).

Permalink Reply by Wendy Johnson on October 29, 2009 at 1:18am

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Permalink Reply by Janet Stevens on October 31, 2009 at 3:23am

I think that the last sentence of the video sums it up: "deliciously wicked humour - and that is why we love Dechamp" .. In my opinion is was never art. He used art in order to shock the people... I have mixed feelings about 'shock value'. There is even a book by Naomi Klein called: the shock doctrine. She is a very young Canadian author who address's shock value in our society... all aspects of our society.. A very interesting read that made me question...

Permalink Reply by Heather on November 1, 2009 at 5:30am

OH I have an old bed pan in my collection of junk, Ill get my sharpie! I think Ill call it P.Ass of fine art : ) I like this Duchamps fellow sense of humour.

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