As I prepare to make my new OKITEN entry, thoughts and ideas are developing every day. It will be a statement against the slaughtering of dolphins that goes on worldwide...My plan has been to collage paper and cloth dolphins to the flat acrylic on canvas -- size 6 feet by 6 feet. (Today my thoughts are maybe it will not be flat but a curved canvas making more of a sculpture.) That I can do with gel medium, so no sweat with those-- but today after a long walk on the beach I thought it might be cool to make some dolphin figures with some flat dead coral pieces which would be heavier than the normal collage material that I use. I also want to drape part of actual fishing nets over the canvas in different areas.
So the questions are:
Thanks ahead of time for any answers.
first, I never recommend gluing rigid elements to a flexible surface like canvas. Make masonite panels for that.
second ... if I did ... the only thing I would use to 'glue' rigid elements to a canvas would be silicone ... it does not become brittle and will stay rubbery and flexible ... no gaurontees that the element you're attaching won't pop off in the future ... but the silicone will stay ... forever.
oh, and don't cut or puncture your canvas in any way ... just like any fabric ... you have a rigid element behind it and it will start to unravel the canvas ... not only that but your painting will start to flake and delaminate from the canvas at the same time.
Thanks for your comments Brian... Yah I have given more thoughts and have even thought about making the area as a half round one .. maybe with a mesh and plaster .. Don't know if that will work and hold up the stuff I want to collage on. Ultimately I would love to have some great textural areas with collaged items. If I cannot make it half round then that is ok but today I also thought of making the top edge in the form of an outline of a dolphin. one side would be about 5- feet tall and descend down on the other side. I have never done a sculpture but this is what I am imagining but who knows if I can do it. My mind is spinning with ideas today :)
So any kind of silicone?
it won't hold up, even if your canvas were in the most calm conditions possible it will flex all the time ... air currents in a room have a massive effect. plaster is also heavy stuff. won't work.
as for silicone ... 100% silicone is best. paint won't stick to it afterwords .... so keep that in mind.
if you want to do additions that are even slightly heavy ... masonite panels or wood panels will always be your best bet. I showed some work in a gallery once where the person right across from me used wall putty to add on a big thick disk shape for texture and effect on all her canvases ... about halfway through the show it started popping off in tiny pieces like popcorn. you may be able to attach masonite to your canvas ... but you need to attach it to the stretcher frame itself ... with screws or brads
Thanks again for your comments...If I used masonite boards or wood panels and cut them at the top in the dolphin shape, kept it flat and stretched the primed canvas over it, gave is support in the back, then maybe would it work to add the broken corals with silicone and collage material with gel medium? Would 4 mm wood paneling work?
thank you heather for writing Heather... I have never done a sculpture so my idea is taking it out of the 2 D painting category for sure. My idea is still formulating. I have no knowledge at all about sculpture.
So what I could do then would be use a wood panel of some sort ( you suggested a hard board) with a wood support in the back.. is that what you mean by a wood cradle?
Can anyone tell me about how to put on something that is archival on top so I can paint on it? Or at least something that is going to last for a bunch of years.
I have seen works that start off with canvas then they collage 3-d stuff... Is it because they are little canvases? my corals are lightweight and flat...maybe they are using a board and no canvas.
Would like to be able to take this inside and outside of my house to work each time so I have to think about weight...
Also would definitely like to paint with acrylics so what are the options on top of wood? Or just direct on the wood? Does one use a primer on the wood first?
Am all new with this for this kind of sized piece so any help or suggestions from anyone would be most helpful.thank you
Sorry Mo... I posted without reading your reply first.. you already covered a lot of what I said.