Best adhesive for 3-d or heavier collaged items on canvas
As I prepare to make my new OKITEN entry, thoughts and ideas are developing every day. It will be a statement against the slaughtering of dolphins that goes on worldwide...My plan has been to collage paper and cloth dolphins to the flat acrylic on canvas -- size 6 feet by 6 feet. (Today my thoughts are maybe it will not be flat but a curved canvas making more of a sculpture.) That I can do with gel medium, so no sweat with those-- but today after a long walk on the beach I thought it might be cool to make some dolphin figures with some flat dead coral pieces which would be heavier than the normal collage material that I use. I also want to drape part of actual fishing nets over the canvas in different areas.
So the questions are:
- What do you recommend for gluing down the coral pieces to the canvas?
- What is your advise for adhering the fishing net?
- Has anyone poked holes in a canvas so something can protrude? How is this supported in the back?
Thanks ahead of time for any answers.
Chrisse
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Permalink Reply by Brian on -
first, I never recommend gluing rigid elements to a flexible surface like canvas. Make masonite panels for that.
second ... if I did ... the only thing I would use to 'glue' rigid elements to a canvas would be silicone ... it does not become brittle and will stay rubbery and flexible ... no gaurontees that the element you're attaching won't pop off in the future ... but the silicone will stay ... forever.
oh, and don't cut or puncture your canvas in any way ... just like any fabric ... you have a rigid element behind it and it will start to unravel the canvas ... not only that but your painting will start to flake and delaminate from the canvas at the same time.
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Permalink Reply by B. Chrisse Harwanko on -
Thanks for your comments Brian... Yah I have given more thoughts and have even thought about making the area as a half round one .. maybe with a mesh and plaster .. Don't know if that will work and hold up the stuff I want to collage on. Ultimately I would love to have some great textural areas with collaged items. If I cannot make it half round then that is ok but today I also thought of making the top edge in the form of an outline of a dolphin. one side would be about 5- feet tall and descend down on the other side. I have never done a sculpture but this is what I am imagining but who knows if I can do it. My mind is spinning with ideas today :)
So any kind of silicone?
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Permalink Reply by Brian on
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it won't hold up, even if your canvas were in the most calm conditions possible it will flex all the time ... air currents in a room have a massive effect. plaster is also heavy stuff. won't work.
as for silicone ... 100% silicone is best. paint won't stick to it afterwords .... so keep that in mind.
if you want to do additions that are even slightly heavy ... masonite panels or wood panels will always be your best bet. I showed some work in a gallery once where the person right across from me used wall putty to add on a big thick disk shape for texture and effect on all her canvases ... about halfway through the show it started popping off in tiny pieces like popcorn. you may be able to attach masonite to your canvas ... but you need to attach it to the stretcher frame itself ... with screws or brads
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Permalink Reply by B. Chrisse Harwanko on
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Thanks again for your comments...If I used masonite boards or wood panels and cut them at the top in the dolphin shape, kept it flat and stretched the primed canvas over it, gave is support in the back, then maybe would it work to add the broken corals with silicone and collage material with gel medium? Would 4 mm wood paneling work?
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Permalink Reply by B. Chrisse Harwanko on
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Brian With a 4mm paneling NOT using canvas work in this way--painting with acrylics then add the 3 d pieces silicone?
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Permalink Reply by heather noye on -
I favor cold connects; wire, rivets, screws, etc. That said I second Brians advice of not using canvas for this kind of mixed media. I'd use a hardboard with a wooden craddle that you can drill thru and do all your connects from behind.
I do like apoxy puddy but I honestly don't know how archival it is.
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Permalink Reply by B. Chrisse Harwanko on
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thank you heather for writing Heather... I have never done a sculpture so my idea is taking it out of the 2 D painting category for sure. My idea is still formulating. I have no knowledge at all about sculpture.
So what I could do then would be use a wood panel of some sort ( you suggested a hard board) with a wood support in the back.. is that what you mean by a wood cradle?
Can anyone tell me about how to put on something that is archival on top so I can paint on it? Or at least something that is going to last for a bunch of years.
I have seen works that start off with canvas then they collage 3-d stuff... Is it because they are little canvases? my corals are lightweight and flat...maybe they are using a board and no canvas.
Would like to be able to take this inside and outside of my house to work each time so I have to think about weight...
Also would definitely like to paint with acrylics so what are the options on top of wood? Or just direct on the wood? Does one use a primer on the wood first?
Am all new with this for this kind of sized piece so any help or suggestions from anyone would be most helpful.thank you
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Permalink Reply by Lorraine Rigby on
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I once sewed guitar wire to a canvas..tiny little stitches from the back..good luck in finding a solution. For other projects I use the clear strong heavy duty wood glue or good old Bostik
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Permalink Reply by Mo Mapes on -
What I use is Masonite and cradle the back- just Google cradling wood panels- you will get sites and Utube vids. Easier to do that then write it! I have glued HEAVY things to my SMALL stretched canvases with E6000 but they have to lay flat for a few days to cure enough to hold (I once did one -thought it was dry enough- left it standing on a shelf- the next day the object was on the shelf- had slid right off the canvas). I sand the Masonite or thin plywood (you can use Leuwan- spelling isn't right- brain fart) and apply a sealer like Kiltz and then put on a couple coats of gesso OR you can glue canvas to the wood panel if you like the look and feel of canvas with gel medium and cut the sides up to the edge of the wood panel OR put on a piece large enough to wrap the wood panel. That way you have the look of a canvas but the solid wood to drill into to wire things on, a ridged pieced to glue to, etc.
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Permalink Reply by Grant Dowling on -
Sorry Mo... I posted without reading your reply first.. you already covered a lot of what I said.
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Permalink Reply by B. Chrisse Harwanko on
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Thank you everyone for giving me some ideas of how to create my vision for this project. After reviewing all and now knowing about all that it entails I think I will save this form for another time. I have 3 months to produce a work for Okiten and with teaching full time it does not give me time to experiment like I need to for this type of 3-d work.. I will definitely keep all of your suggestions in mind for the future.. now back to my 2-d idea. Thanks to all! Chrisse
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