Attach a glass bottle to a painting
I'm a bit new to mixed media. I'm trying to execute a painting that will incorporate a glass whiskey bottle and some fake blood made out of clear glue with red food coloring. I tried a version of this on canvas but I had mixed results. The fake blood made out of glue did not adhere well to the canvas. I attached the bottle to the canvas with liquid nails and it seemed to be pretty stable but since the blood did not stick I decided to start over. Would I be better off using masonite instead of canvas, since it is more rigid? If so what should I use to fasten the bottle to the masonite? Would the glue/blood stick to masonite? Sorry for all of the questions? I think the idea I have for this piece could be really cool if I could execute it the right way. Thanks so much for any help or advice.
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Permalink Reply by Mark Weber on -
Thanks Di! I hope she has some advice for me. I'm really excited about this project I just need a little help with the execution.
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Permalink Reply by 1qzrv5fw6v9h0 on -
Hi Mark- ya- it's me- MO. Fist question is: is the background of the painting painted in acrylics or oils? If oils, then that is the reason the glue didn't stick. If it is acrylic then I would suggest you use acrylic medium and mix a blood red acrylic into it- preferably a fluid acrylic or something that would flow easily- that way both products are acrylic and will glue to the canvas with no problem. I really like your concept so I believe the best way to do this would be on a rigid support like Masonite or a birch panel- cradled if possible for support and you won't have to frame it. When using heavy objects the best glue to use is E6000- they have a thick version in a silver tube- takes at least 24-36 hours to cure before you can hang it w/o the object sliding off (this happened to me!) but it sticks to ANYTHING and a new more fluid one that dries in 2-3 minutes. I haven't tried that one yet. These glues are flexible so you won't have any problem with them cracking where the liquid nails could crack. I hope I answered your questions well enough but if I haven't ask away! Let us know how it works out.
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Permalink Reply by Mark Weber on
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Hey Mo! Thanks so much for the feedback. The background will be painted in oils. So I think I will try painting it on a Masonite panel like you suggested and blue the bottle to the panel using E6000. However I'm still not quite sure how to get the nice red translucent blood look that I got using the dyed clear glue. Do you have any suggestions on how to achieve this translucent look with just oil paint? What medium should I add to the oil paint to thicken it a bit but also maintain a translucent look? Thanks so much for all your suggestions.
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Permalink Reply by 1qzrv5fw6v9h0 on
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Sorry Mark- I don't work in oils so I can't answer your questions about that- maybe someone else will be able to answer the oil questions.
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Permalink Reply by Danielle Evans on -
For oils.. You could try lots of layers of colour using a glaze medium or linseed oil. Personally I've only done fake blood on myself. I created a wound on my arm with latex and vaseline and food colouring.
Using acrylics... I like the look of paint dribbled thickly to resemble blood. The only problem is that it usually cracks when it is drying. A medium is definitely needed whether you use oils or acrylics. If you have translucent acrylics (or just use less) you could try string gel?
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Permalink Reply by Mark Weber on
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Thanks so much for the advice. I did a little research and I'm going to try using a blending and glazing medium to create a transparent high gloss look. I will keep you posted on how it turns out!
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Permalink Reply by Brian on -
The formation of glass removes imperfections in the surface, which is why it is considered a slick surface ... the only way to attach glass to anything is really to sand a section of the bottle (adding a tooth for something to stick) then attaching with a non-rigid adhesive. Silicone might be your only option for long term adhesion.
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Permalink Reply by Dalia Bar-Dror on -
Hi, Mark.
the weight of the bottle (even a small one) would cause the canvas to 'sag', which (unless is part of the intended result) - is not a good look. I would definitely use a rigid board for this work, (or any work that needs to carry any weight). I also wouldn't trust the glues for that. personally I would drill small holes close to the bottle neck and body (mark it with a pencil, and drill first, then place the bottle back, of course
)... Then I would 'tie' the bottle to the board with metal wires/natural cords - whichever is relevant to the idea you want to convey, and make that a deliberate feature that is part of the work, rather than a necessary 'fastenning'...If u choose natural cords - I would use metal wires first, to secure the bottle, and then hide them under the natural cords. The other reason for the metal wires underneath the natural ones is: I always try to think on the long run of every piece, and how it will 'behave' after many years, or in less than 'responsible' hands, (exhibitions, travelling, potential future owners etc.): so, as natural fibres tend to fray and disintigrate with age, they might tear and then nothing would hold the bottle in place, other than the wires.
about the fake blood: you didn't mention which clear glue you tried, and I don't know how lasting and stedfast the food colouring is.
I would have tried red acrylic and resin or clear epoxy glue. (try a small amount first, before you launch it into your main work).good luck, and I'm curious to see how it comes along. please post the image of this piece during or at the completed stage of it.
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